Thx Kaik, I am hoping that something fraudulent money wise will happen, or become visible, because... as you say, sometimes it's only money that might wake them up! We'll take it, right?!?
cha ching
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Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation
by kaik inmy mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.
so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.
nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.
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Reveal News: How Jehovah’s Witness leaders are responding to child abuse scrutiny by Trey Bundy
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://www.revealnews.org/blog/how-jehovahs-witness-leaders-are-responding-to-child-abuse-scrutiny/.
by trey bundy .
december 14, 2015 .
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cha ching
So true, Listener, a LOT of JW's have no idea what is going on...
No Candace Conti, no ARC, just "it something that happens everywhere"
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Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation
by kaik inmy mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.
so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.
nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.
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cha ching
Thank you, kaik.... I was very interested to know how life was in other countries... I wondered, maybe, if elders had just decided to start doing things differently, asking for $$$....
You used the term "overseer", and although it is used for Circuit Overseer, this term was used long ago in USA as a word for "elder."... So, I thought maybe, since your mom was irritated, saying "Why doesn't he work for himself" that he was actually an elder (not a CO).... Especially after you told us the story about the problems in Prague..
I thought, 'Hey, maybe CZ became isolated, they did not know what it was like in other countries, and some men took advantage of that and told the bro's and sisters that they had to support the elders... ???? You never know, right?
Thanks for the insight!
cha ching
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Elder harassed my mom and asked for donation
by kaik inmy mom had surgery last month and she developed complication and had to be on antibiotics to treat infection.
so, she is recovering slowly, but things was tough on her and she was not attending kh or went to assembly two weeks ago.
nonetheless, elder showed up at her place and instead providing her with comfort he started to harass her that her faith is weak, she does not put trust in jah, etc.
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cha ching
I am wondering, Kaik, if it is simply a language miscommunication, or... Are Elders supported by the congregation? Do congregations cook for elders all the time? That does not happen in USA....
Or, is this "overseer" that comes around a circuit overseer?
Either way, it sounds like Czech has a few "rules of its own"? Is this a repeat of the Bethel adventure there?
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Urgent - Need source material for 1975
by Garrett inreal quick, i need the quote from a book that says that in the 1970s the young ones wouldn't grow old and die.
to not go to uni and to spend time preaching.
it has a picture of young ones in it.... if anyone can get this to me asap that would be awesome!.
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cha ching
Ding, never a jw, twice for emphasis! I was 14 in 1969, & remember reading this..... I did not go to college. Thx WT! -
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The KEY WORD in Isaiah 44:25-26 is "Predictions" and the apostles NEVER made any predictions setting dates.
by Greybeard inisaiah 44:25-26, i am frustrating the signs of the empty talkers, and i am the one who makes diviners act like fools; the one confounding the wise men and turning their knowledge into foolishness; the one making the word of his servant come true and completely fulfilling the predictions of his messengers.
the record shows your words and many predictions did not come true.
again, the key word in isaiah 44:25-26 is "predictions" and the apostles never made any predictions ever.
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Thx for all that hard work!
Cha Ching
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1994 Awake Cover RE: Children Dying NO BLOOD
by cha ching inwe came across this youtube video, from a year ago... i thought this guy did a great job!.
i have been trying to find a way to approach this subject with relatives.
after you watch this, let me know: .
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Good summary, DesignerStubble, as you were posting, I was trying to do a summary also, ;-)
At 15 minutes in, he starts talking “Bible” as JW’s claim, “nobody knows the Bible better than JW’s do”… Leviticus & Acts are read, and these are given the explanation, "let's just say God is protecting people’s health from invisible bacteria, etc."
16 minutes: He then asks us to just ‘assume’ just for argument sake, that Jehovah actually made a direct command against blood transfusions in the old law testament, and goes to Matthew 12, when the disciples plucked grain on the Sabbath.
17 minutes: When the Pharisees objected, Jesus brought out that David ate bread from the temple, the priests profane the Sabbath, but are not guilty, IF YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN WHAT THIS MEANS, I desire mercy, not sacrifice… and something greater than the temple is here, “you would not have condemned the guiltless”,
The legalistic Pharisees, (sound familiar) were complaining that the disciples weren’t following the Law. Jesus said, ‘look, David broke the Sabbath Law, and he wasn’t’ guilty’ Why? His men were hungry.. So which is more important? Legalism? or the needs of the people?
Mark 3, the man with the withered hand… the Pharisees watched to make sure the law was not broken (cured on the Sabbath). Jesus asks “is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm? to “save a life? or to kill?”
18 minutes: Even tho it was against what the Pharisees pronounced as righteous, Jesus thought it was better to save a life…. The Pharisees met to see how to kill Jesus for not following their legal rules! (Maybe today, it would be death by disfellowshipping?)
19 minutes: Luke 14 Jesus is dining with Pharisees, a man had dropsy… he healed him. “Which of you having a son or an ox fall into a hole, will not immediately pull him out?” They could not reply to these things.
Why do your leaders care less about JW children than oxen? According to the law, you are suppose to save your oxen, but according to JW’s not your children?
‘More people have died following this JW blood teaching than died at Marshal Applewhite, at Heaven’s Gate… David Koresh of the Davidian’s, Jim Jone’s of People’s Temple combined.’
Now that is a staggering reality…..
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1994 Awake Cover RE: Children Dying NO BLOOD
by cha ching inwe came across this youtube video, from a year ago... i thought this guy did a great job!.
i have been trying to find a way to approach this subject with relatives.
after you watch this, let me know: .
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Good points, CrazyGuy, I wish I could condense it, it is a bit long... I agree, but good points.
Kind of striking is how there is this huge "our kids died for God" article, and the very next article???? White alligators... That IS weird, huh? "Oh, well, let's talk about Alligators now" WT slowly gets you use to tragic events by moving your mind onto the next subject... A lot like Nazi's. Speed up the movies of torture, make it funny, not so hard to do anymore.
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Untrusted
by Esmeralda001 ingreetings,it seems that jw immediately assume that all "wordly" people (as they like to call it) are immoral and unworthy of their trust.
i sort of understand how it can be dangerous for a christian to have association with someone who doesn't share their values, but don't you think that some members take the conceal lied in corinthians 15:33 to the extreme?
what about romans 2:14?
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cha ching
Dear Esmeralda,
Reporting "the pig" about child abuse is one of the main reasons that many have left this "looking good on the outside" organization.
Pedophilia has been a problem for a long time, as there is a requirement for two witnesses for elders to do something about it, and that is within the congregation.
Elders do not go to police,(if it is a state law, they are suppose to) they do not usually encourage people to go to the police, make you feel guilty if you go to the police, as "it will take away from Jehovah's name." Most JW's will say "wait on Jehovah" he will take care of it..... It is very twisted. The way the "organization looks" becomes the most important, to the demise of children and their families. My husband was disfellowshipped for testifying in a trial for telling the truth. The WT didn't like it.
Please do a lot of research on this site, JWFACTS, and more. If you do join JW's, and get baptized, and then THE ORGANIZATION changes it's teachings, and you still believe what you were first taught "from the bible" you will be disfellowshipped, shunned, and will lose all relationships built over all of those years.
This group of people can seem, very nice..... it is dangerous.
Be smart, cha ching
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1994 Awake Cover RE: Children Dying NO BLOOD
by cha ching inwe came across this youtube video, from a year ago... i thought this guy did a great job!.
i have been trying to find a way to approach this subject with relatives.
after you watch this, let me know: .
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We came across this YouTube Video, from a year ago... I thought this guy did a great job!
I have been trying to find a way to approach this subject with relatives. After you watch this, let me know:
Does it have a good blend of facts and emotional content to reach through the mind control? It seems this guy hits the nail on the head! I think it could take witnesses outside their comfort zone, he does a great job with his critical thinking. What do you think?